6339 at Exposition Park

Ralph Cantos Collection

Ralph Cantos Collection

Los Angeles Transit Lines bus #6339 poses for the camera at Exposition Park in 1990.

From Ralph Cantos:

It is the last known surviving example of the 300 bus order that NATIONAL CITY LINES / LATL unleashed on the streetcar loving-citizens of Los Angeles. These buses were used to replace streetcars on rail lines A – D – U and all the shuttle car lines. These GM 4506’s were also used to replace older gasoline powered “brand X” buses that LATL inherited from LARY.

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  • Duncan Still
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    Ugh!

  • Duncan Still
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    “ugh” refers to the subject of this photo, the vile machine that destroyed our LARY streetcars, polluted our air, and added to traffic congestion. I’ll never lose my resentment for buses (and I’ll never dignify them by calling them “motor coaches”.

  • Ralph Cantos
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    Duncan, I can undersand your point of view. As a young “trolley fan” growing up in LA , I cried when I saw the Hollywood cars at Terminal Island. I thought the Hollywood cars were the most beautiful streetcar ever built. I HATED BUSES!!! I even hated bus drivers. I carried that hate with me for many years UNTIL I saw buses being scrapped. I felt really bad about what I saw. Later on in life I came to see the bus as “a missed used instrument of progress”. Buses should be used to “feed streetcar lines, NOT EAT THEM”. But National City Lines, and Jessie Haugh and their likes, used buses for their own personal and financial gain,and they used the buses to do it! These people did not GIVE A DAMN about anything or anyone. General Motors just happened to build the best mouse trap, because they had the money to do it. In 1983, when the SCRTD took delivery of 900 new RTS’s ( A PIECE OF SHIT BUS), 900 old and new look buses were driven under their own power to a scrap yard in South LA , and what I saw there was as bad, as anything I saw as a kid at Terminal Island.

    • Ralph Cantos
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      one last comment. Today I look at “older buses” as big old antique cars of sort. By automotive production standards, some buses are VERY RARE! ONLY 1000 SCENICRUISER’s were built for Greyhound. Only 800 “Silversides” were built. I have a 1957 MACK suburban bus in my collection that ONLY 35

      • Ralph Cantos
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        comment continued..Only 35 of thsee suburban MACK’s were built. Only 3 are known to survive. It these production numbers were applied to a 1957 automobile, the value of such a car would be priceless. What I saw at that So. LA bus junk yard can only be discribed as A CARNAGE!

  • Bob Davis
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    This discussion reminds me of the 1960s, during a period when my first wife would leave our daughters at my parents’ home in Monrovia when she went to work. I would get a ride to “the old homestead” and, after visiting a bit, we’d walk down to Huntington drive to catch the #64 RTD bus to Duarte. Sometimes an “old look” bus (similar to 6339) would be assigned to this line, and one of the girls would spot it and say, “Look, Daddy, a ROUND BUS!” The Niles Canyon Railroad sometimes has an “old look” bus running shuttle service between their western terminal and the nearest BART station. 50 years ago, I thought I’d never see the day when a GM 6-71 engine sounded “nostalgic”.

    • Ralph Cantos
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      the antique historic buses used on the Nies Canyon shuttle belong to the Pacific Bus Museum .

  • Jim Gannon
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    Great photo of 6339 Ralph. . couldn’t agree more about the RTS. We had the first at Long Beach and the second day out, I put it on the sidewalk at Pacific and Ocean when the steering pump when out. . .our old 3612’s didn’t rattle as much as the RTS did with those plug doors.

  • Retired In Kalifornia
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    The photo was taken by the late Zeke Allen 24 October 1977 close to the Seely G. Mudd building on McClintock Avenue on the University of Southern California.

  • Bob Davis
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    As I recall, McClintock Ave. was where the “U” line streetcar served the USC campus. When my older daughter graduated from USC in 1983, I took a photo of the pavement, which had cracks about 42″ apart. I also caught a glimpse of a Southern Pacific SW-1500 going by the south side of the campus, never dreaming that the rickety old PE tracks would be transformed into a modern light-rail line about 30 years later.

  • Retired In Kalifornia
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    Oh By The Way. I’d OWNED this bus at the time the photo was taken on my 26th birthday. I’d just had it finished being partially restored month or so earlier.

    This was my first trip from Sacramento to Los Angeles with it; had (probably still does) HV90 fuel injectors giving it lotta extra performance over the B55 economy ones; got true 7 m.p.g., could do 60 m.p.h., could had gotten faster but speed governor couldn’t be adjusted upwards. No problem going up & down through the mountains, climbed 25 m.p.h. lightly loaded, not bad then for a 31 year old bus!

    • Pacific Electric
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      wow, that’s an AWESOME story, RIK! Thanks for sharing! – Editor

      • Retired In Kalifornia
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        Ralph, if you’re the “Editor” I’d not talked to you since 1992. Does 6339 still exist? Is it operational?

        Recently viewed YouTube video of the March 2, 1990 La Purente West Coast Motor Coach Society Bus Museum yard move narrated by Stephan Schwarzwald, glad I’d driven most everything there before the move.

        • Retired In Kalifornia
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          Ralph, glad y’all updated me on 6339’s status some months ago via e-mail. The Baltimore Streetcar Museum’s TD-4506 Serial 001, Baltimore Transit Company 1096, is amongst the last surviving 1939-45 Yellow Coach square windowed “Old Look” buses and believed still operational, the first of 1200 built 1945-46 now fittingly the last that could be. BTW, Sacramento Regional Transit District’s (SRTD’s) GMC TDH-4512 Serial 2833 of 3263 built 1953-59, Sacramento Transit Authority (STA) 121, is still operational though its “sister” Serial 2807 STA 128 at the Pacific Bus Museum wasn’t as of August 20, 2017; I’d driven both in revenue service 43 years ago (1975). The fate of 121 is uncertain, current SRTD management isn’t disposed to keeping historical buses, Alan F. is keeping watch over it well as the last surviving SRTD Flxible 45102-8-1 Serial 60343 #4150.

  • Dick Short
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    The only good bus is a dead bus.

  • Bob Davis
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    Next month, on May 7, Orange Empire will be hosting the annual Antique Truck meet. I don’t think we’ve had any large transit buses, but small coaches have visited, and the museum collection includes one of the last “old look” GMC buses.

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